The following is a transcription of an interview with Laura Flynn. To listen to the interview, go here.
Carrie: I am extremely impressed with all of this that you offer as part of the Fit and Healthy Pregnancy Guide.
It’s the best advice I’ve ever read for pregnant women in terms of nutrition.
Laura: Thank you. It was fun to do and I believe every word. It’s something I did for myself and feel passionate about for all those babies in the future.
Carrie: I’m proud of you guys for sharing an unpopular message when it comes to nutrition. Your background is as a dietician. What made you want to write this guide? It is very different from anything else a mom can find on the bookstore shelves.
Laura: It was rather disappointing through my teaching and what I learned being mainstream – to become a dietician and wanting more and figuring it out myself, that there’s so much more truth out there. The more I learned the more I knew nutrition impacts fetal development. It’s nowhere. You have to look for it, to piece it together, which was really frustrating considering how important this is.
Carrie: Let’s talk a bit more about your nutrition philosophy and what you recommend to pregnant moms in the book. Share with us a little more about that.
L: The main thing I love to start out with is that what you think is healthy is usually not. Where I grab people the most is fats.
The kind of fat – saturated fat and cholesterol, and how vital they are for cellular development and new baby growth.
And we always think of those foods – not to eat them, they’re bad for us. And they’re key! More homemade foods and food preparation a little bit different. As far as soaking foods, really going after locally grown foods, pasture fed meats, and raw dairy – that’s a very unpopular or controversial choice. Some of those are what I discuss and key points.
C: It’s funny because just yesterday I wrote a pretty lengthy post on my blog about raw milk. And my readers know that I feel really strongly about Weston A Price, I think he was so smart. I talk a lot about native nutrition, what native people ate and how what we eat today is so far from real food.
L: It is, as I drive around and look at these food places, these fast food places, I don’t even see it as food. It’s no different from me picking up a car tire and trying to eat that.
C: I’m sure you’ve seen some of the video clips that have gone around on the internet or maybe you saw Super Size Me. Super Size Me he had a burger and fries that were like 3 months old. I saw a video just the other day of a woman who saved a 4 year old Happy Meal! It’s out of this world.
What I was going to mention about the news that I read yesterday on a very popular parenting blog – on an AOL website, ParentDish. Last year there was a case of a vegan baby who died, she as a newborn infant, and she had been raised on a vegan diet, and yesterday there as another girl: She’s 12 years old, from Scotland, and her parents may face abuse charges because she was brought into the Doctor, and he said she has the bones of an 80 year old woman. She has rickets, several broken bones, and her bones are just falling apart and they feel it’s because she’s been on a vegan diet since birth. And I think – I’m going to predict that we’re going to see more and more case like this since veganism is becoming so much more popular – the trendy thing to do
L: The “green” thing…..
C: Yes. We’re going to see more of these cases of children who – and it may not show up right away – but over the years we’re going to see major health issues because of this. And it’s really sad because people think they’re doing the right thing for their health and for the environment.
L: I agree. What we’re seeing now is a product of what has been happening. The fast food and the non food style of eating with children, we’re seeing it with them now. The pendulum is swinging the extreme opposite of what deemed the ultimate healthy – being vegan, vegetarian. And it’s so wrong – it’s a myth.
It brings me to the point in researching for this book, why -
if vegetarianism and veganism is the ultimate in healthy – why is it that only key ingredients for fetal nutrients, for fetal development are found in only animal products?
There is a divine design there, and I can’t argue with that, none of us can. That’s beyond us. That’s mother nature there. So that’s what my key point, if that truly is THE diet, the healthiest diet, and that’s what research is skewed to show, why is it that A and D are predominantly found – in their most absorbable form – in animal products?
C: That’s a key point – most absorbable. Because vegetarians and vegans like to make the argument that you can get all the nutrients from plants.
L: how much do you have to eat of it and absorb of it?
C: And I don’t think any of us would want to eat a truckful of spinach!
L: Going back to Weston Price as you mentioned, he never found a completely vegetarian culture. They sought out animal foods and made them sacred. That’s where politics is involved.
C: A nurse, a labor and delivery nurse left a comment on this blog about the vegan child – she said that she’s noticed in her practice that mothers that are vegan have a harder time in childbirth because their pelvic bones are – can’t remember exactly what she said but it was specifically about vegan women having trouble birthing because of something bad happening with their pelvic bones.
L: That’s an interesting point because as I followed my F and H Pregnancy Book guidelines, I had a 9 pound 2 ounce baby – an easy delivery. It was very easy. As easy as childbirth can be! My hips moved just fine.
C: Let’s talk about raw milk. That’s one that specifically pregnant women are warned not to drink raw milk.
L: And raw anything.
C: Right. You mention why pasteurization came about in the first place and why it’s not really needed with modern dairy practices.
L: I find it interesting as I talk to friends that have no clue about raw milk. They don’t have an understanding of why we even do it. The reason was because of convenience. The animals were not in a clean environment, the cows, dairy cows were not in a clean environment, they weren’t fed good food.
We know if we do that to ourselves, we’re not in good shape. So the product they were giving – milk – was low quality. And therefore making us sick. From the way they were fed and the way that they were milked in a dirty environment.
Well that’s a given – why don’t you clean up the environment? Why continue to let that go on and then pasteurize? The milk lasts longer, let’s do this. I think it’s just fascinating that we don’t know that, it’s not an assumed truth in the general population. We’ve been told something so long, like a commercial, that we think it’s fact. It’s not. It just came about because of bad practices.
C: I didn’t know this until I read your book, but we now see ultra pasteurized milk because pasteurization is not working anymore.
L: We have to keep up with those pathogens. They can modify themselves much quicker. Like antibiotics – they were used too much and now we have resistant germs out there so we have to raise the ante so to speak. It’s come across as a much more clean product as far as marketing. But the fact is it’s because it doesn’t work.
C: And it does have a lot to do with marketing and money and dollars just like anything. I went and made a milk run yesterday and I travel 30 minutes one way to get my milk. And these people – it’s a labor of love for them. They’re not millionaires or anything. But they’re obviously healthy. And I just love being able to look out in this huge green pasture with these beautiful cows, they’re so happy and they’re not in confinement at all other than a few minutes a day when they’re being milked. It’s a great feeling to know where your food comes from and to know that everything is clean, If these people are drinking it themselves, they have a vested interest in the product being very healthy and safe.
L: Right, they’re not playing Russian Roulette which is what it’s always referred to. I feel that way as well, I spend a half hour on the road, but I feel good about that – that I can see where my food is coming from, and to give that to my family – to know what’s in there. It’s mind boggling – like why can’t I go to the store and get that?
C: I’m sure you’re a subscriber to the Wise Traditions magazine? I was talking about this the other day that
in Europe, sales of raw milk is going up and up. In Italy for instance you can get raw milk from vending machines
L: Oh yeah I did see that!
C: It’s popular to have them in the schools, to get fresh cold raw milk – where we would have a Coke machine in the school, they have raw milk vending machines!
L: That is inspiring and hopeful. Maybe it will get easier. I think I’ve heard that here, that at a conference with the demand for raw milk even here in the US has gone up. Which is probably why there’s more pressure against it. It always goes back to money. It’s a shame. That hasn’t gotten us very far, it’s gotten us – what 60% of the population is overweight? The soaring rates of diabetes and gestational diabetes – I see women all the time that are overweight and gaining too much but not eating anything of nutrient value. It’s because it’s all cheap.
C: Your book makes it easy because it includes several extra bonuses. You have grocery lists, healthy recipes, and this is great because when you’re pregnant and tired and if you have other kids,
L: Tell me what to eat!
C: Exactly! I can’t wait to try the coconut pudding recipe, I love coconut so much.
L: Oh me too. I kept that in mind – I had to do it, and I was working and pregnant. I didn’t have any other children at the time but keeping up with the house and selling a house and things like that, it had to be easy breezy and very efficient. So I really kept that in mind with the meal plans and just spelled it out, every meal. It’s a no brainer, you don’t have to think about it, just pick it up and go to the store.
C: I also though this was interesting, this other ebook that you include with the product, and it mentions EFT. I have been wanting to have an EFT expert on my show for ages and I can’t find one! It’s absolutely perfect for a pregnant woman – no side effects and it doesn’t cost anything.
I love EFT but I have the hardest time remembering to use it hen I need it. It’s cool to do with children too and they really like it. Once with my 7 year old I did an EFT session and afterwards – the next day – he came to me and said, “mommy do that think where you’re touching my face”..
C: Do you have any final things you want to say about your product or philosophy?
L: It’s been an amazing journey. I learned what most of us think is healthy through more mainstream – becoming a dietician, and it just didn’t feel right in my gut. And learning so much from Weston Price and Nourishing Traditions. And to find out that it’s the complete opposite of what we’re told. And it’s important to question, especially when you’re pregnant and growing a brand new body and what you put in your body affects what kind of body they’re going to have.
When you look around at our children – lots of learning disabilities and other issues, obesity or diabetes, it’s important to question and really look into another way.
The way we have been doing it is just not working. There’s so much out there about saturated fat and cholesterol and how vital it is. I did all the work for you, read all the stuff, and put it into how to’s for everyday living.
I hope people do check out FitAndHealthyPregnancy.com
C: I would say to a woman who is a little…
L: hesitant? I was that way!
C: yes hesitant, to try it out for a week and see how you feel, look at the difference in how you feel. Because when we’re pregnant we tend to have a little low blood sugar, being tired, heartburn and things like that, and so many of the traditional foods are so good for that… eating the cultured veggies is wonderful for stomach trouble.
For me, all my life I’ve had issues with dairy products. I would have severe stomach pains and other issues – but when I’m drinking raw milk it’s a NON issue. I can drink 3 or 4 cups of it a day and have no stomach problems at all.
L: It’s not the dairy but how it was prepared…
C: Right, it was the pasteurization that was the issue, it was indigestible. So try it for a week and just how you feel. And you’re going to feel so much better and it motivates you to continue.
L: People look at it and say it’s so much work but it’s extra work to carry around extra pounds and being unhealthy and no energy. Put in a little time and you’ll feel a lot better in your everyday living. And an easier delivery and a child that’s a little easier.
C: Absolutely, I believe that. Children behave better when they’re eating plenty of protein and fat. And high quality foods, they are calmer and happier they sleep better…
L: I agree. Fat is good for you, fat is healthy. And not the fat they think is good – butter is good!
C: yes. Isn’t it interesting how toddlers go through a phase where you can’t keep them out of the butter dish? From the time they’re walking until they’re 18 months or 2, all my children went through this. They’ll grab the stick of butter and you’ll see little teeth marks. Their bodies are telling them something that they need that, it’s essential for their brain and their nervous system.
Thank you Laura.
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